Interview: Kaiser CMIO on mHealth opportunity

By: Brian Dolan | Mar 8, 2010        

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Kaiser Permanente“There is a growing awareness of the opportunity that mobile has for healthcare,” Dr. John Mattison, assistant medical director and chief medical information officer (CMIO), Kaiser Permanente Southern California told MobiHealthNews in an interview at HIMSS 2010 in Atlanta last week. “When we spoke last December, that much was clear. What has not gotten recognition is that mobile health can have a significant economic impact on the healthcare economy and healthcare reform. That awareness will hit in the next six to eight months,” Mattison said.

That’s just the awareness of mobile health’s economic potential, of course. Mattison does not believe the economic impact of mobile health will actually register for at least two years — two to four years for the U.S., he said.

“When you look at drivers for healthcare costs in the U.S. for the past 15 to 20 years you can find lots of cost drivers,” Mattison said. “These have been well-documented and incorporated into the healthcare reform talks that are ongoing. What has been underrepresented as cost drivers is three things: Getting enough sleep, eating healthily, and exercising regularly.”

Mobile extends wellness and healthcare’s reach

“The advantage of mobile health,” Mattison said, “is that your phone is with you 24/7 where you work and play. Patients spend more than 99.95 percent of their lives outside of our clinics and hospitals. That’s where their lifestyle decisions are made. Mobile health enables healthcare and — more importantly — wellness to extend its reach where people live, work and play.”

The conditions driving much of the healthcare spending today, including obesity, diabetes, hypertension, coronary disease, kidney failure and others are largely caused and affected by lifestyle decisions rather than medical choices, Mattison said.

“Our efforts as an industry to direct healthy lifestyles has been a notable failure,” Mattison said. “Look at the prevalence of childhood obesity. Look at the prevalence of diabetes across the entire population. We are getting better at spending more and more money on things that shouldn’t had happened in the first place.”

Don’t forget sleep

As noted above, sleep deprivation was among the three biggest cost drivers Mattison pointed to as being underrepresented in the healthcare reform talks and healthcare talks in general.

“Sleep deprivation is one of the biggest drivers of obesity in this country,” Mattison said. “You’ve stayed up too late before — just think about how you ate the next day. All ‘comfort food,’ right? There is an epidemic of sleep deprivation but in addition to that epidemic is a sedentary lifestyle. Sleep deprivation is as under recognized as a part of poor health as so many other wellness related behaviors. Mobile health is one common pathway that addresses all of them.”

Kaiser Permanente to co-create a “symphony of apps”

“What I am working on is symphony of apps that brings to bear the behavioral models, incentive models and information therapies into one single construct,” Mattison said. “[Kaiser Permanente] has always been founded on wellness and disease prevention: Recently our EHR helped us to make strides in wellness, but I believe that mobile is going to be the biggest accelerator for wellness that has ever come along, because of the basic presence of cell phones. People are mobile and phones are mobile — it’s convenient.”

Mattison said that KP’s mobile health plans has universal support across Kaiser Permanente and while KP does have the resources to do everything themselves, they won’t. Kaiser has a track record of using open source and APIs, according to Mattison. Expect KP to build some of the mobile health apps they plan to offer but their partners will build others. Mattison said that KP’s mobile offerings will serve the two masters of wellness and chronic disease management, but the care provider aims to shift the burden of its efforts to wellness and disease prevention.

What doesn’t work for mobile health?

“Which are the attractive dead ends for mobile health? That’s a good questions,” Mattison said. “There are a number of them out there. I think the big one is relying exclusively on information therapy. If information therapy worked then why doesn’t McDonald’s sell a veggie burger? Why doesn’t Burger King sell more veggie burgers than hamburgers? Yes, information therapy is necessary, but it’s not even close to sufficient. Everybody knows that certain foods are unhealthy, but it hasn’t translated on a population level. Information therapy won’t work on an individual level if it’s in isolation. It needs to be a part of — not of all of [a mobile strategy].”

  • http://DigitalNeurosurgeon.com Pieter Kubben, MD

    Will be interesting to see how the balance between prevention and care/cure will be. I am an MD in neurosurgery from The Netherlands and have developed three iPhone apps that are available in the App Store (see my website http://DigitalNeurosurgeon.com for info). Those are for MD’s. The population-health category will be different, and I hope it will not be overtaken by companies just looking for quick money. I guess MD’s can at least judge the quality of an app, but not all of them will welcome such new applications of technology. Joe The Plumber may be too easy in adopting even rubbish that is made by the quick money guys.

    Maybe there should be some quality assurance label for such apps available?

    Pieter Kubben, MD

  • http://philbaumann.com Phil Baumann

    @Pieter

    You make a great point about QA. Regulatory bodies are already considering how to address the matter.

    But of course, if we are to regulate mobile health apps, then we will need a different model than that for molecules and medical devices. It shouldn’t take years of research for approval obviously.

    Rather, perhaps a surveillance approach may work better: let applications come to market, monitor their performance and safety and then take appropriate action.

  • http://3gdoctor.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/%e2%80%9cmobile-will-change-the-world-far-more-than-internet-could%e2%80%9d/ David Doherty

    @Pieter and Phil: Perhaps there already is a quality assurance label available?

    Isn’t that what you automatically would get when a Doctor prescribes you an app?

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  • http://healthimo.com kevin

    Not to pick on Pieter since the entire industry has the physician knows best view;

    “I guess MD’s can at least judge the quality of an app”

    What makes you think that the physicians hold the monopoly on being able to determine quality? Isn’t that why we have randomized controlled clinical trials vs relying on the opinion of an MD or a company?

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  • http://www.mediregs.com Steve L

    Mobile healthcare will help drive change by allowing the promoting and nudging of the consumer. That said, all the technology in the world won’t do anything if people aren’t held accountable for their own bad behavior. If you lose the genetic lottery society should help you. If you make bad choices you should be 100% on your own financially and socially until you decide you make a change.

    That and we need to eliminate Corn Syrup and other “insulin spikers” as food ingredient! Merely eliminate subisidies to corn growers and that problem would be solved.

    Too many believe that technology will solve problems that only personal decisions can change. Perhaps the peer pressure of social networks and nudging will move some people to change but it will never address the core issues or our lifestyle and food supply unless we want to make a change.

  • Mary A. England

    ISLANDS OF INNOVATION:

    Back in 1995 while at KP, I coined a descriptor of innovative technologies being used to pilot and deliver care. We, at the time had over 120 projects delivering interventions, mostly not integrated with ‘enterprise’ IT, EHR, etc. ISLANDS OF INNOVATION was the term I used to describe the dispersed technologies deliver then new APPS.

    John Mattison MD shows vision for personalized healthcare interventions, at the point of decision-making.

    MHealth is an expansion of the old term ‘ubiquitious’, remember? We used ubiquitious to designiate the right information/intervention, wherever, whenever, & now however health/medical decisions are made.

    After all, MHealth APPS are an extension of existing decision-support tools, now at a micro level.

    Now whether decisions are made between the providers, healthcare consumers, &/or decision-support tools, INTEGRATION remains the key…if any of these keys are not ‘informed’ of the status of the other…stand alone decisions based on stand-alone APPS with still be just that…

    Deciders of how mHealth will be adopted will need to again be aware of the limits of ISLANDS OF INNOVATION.

  • http://www.padisys.com VP

    With the way things are moving around us and the world shrinking and coming into our hands – the mobile phones are certainly going a long way from now.
    M-Health applications are the next big thing that is going to hit us. While some mobile biggies are working with full focus in integrating technology with medicine and its general operations, some smaller companies are coming out with specific yet amazing products and solutions. Not only in general hospital and patient management – mobile phones will soon be an integral part of the the clinical trials and medical research domain. Taking it to the next step, M-Health applications would also be looked as a great key to the Pharma and drug making sector where in mobile phones can be used in PMS ( Post market surveys) and eventually lower costs, administration, logistics, conform to compliance and regulatory guidelines. Only today, Came across this company – NowPos. That is into Mobile Solutions for the Bio-pharma and Life Sciences sector. Seems to have an innovative product – PaDiSys – the patient diary system.

    We are not far from a totally digitized and mobile world. — EVERY THING WOULD BE IN OUR HANDS !!

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